
| All the blood is red By Kirk Henry with the collaboration of Troy Lopez
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| She didnt even perceive it as rape. For Mavis the entire thing, sex in general, is nastiness, whether it be tender lovemaking or rough, violent sex. | My
work has been described as psychological mystery, and I think that fits. It attempts to
unravel an emotional place; at the end the revelation is about understanding where all the
pain came from. Meet Leone Ross, a 31-year-old Jamaican author whose work - two novels and a growing body of anthologized short stories in the last four years - promises a stellar literary career. Ross was born in England to a Jamaican mother and Scottish father. She moved to Jamaica at six years old and began to work as a freelance journalist when she was sixteen. She graduated from the University of the West Indies and returned to England in 1990 to broaden the stage and scope of her writing career. On arrival in London, Ross pursued a Masters degree at City University and continued working as a journalist for publications such as The Voice, Pride Magazine and London Weekend Television. Her first novel, All The Blood is Red was published in 1996, and her second, Orange Laughter, was published in 1999. Her work has also appeared in Creation Fire (Sister Vision Press, 1988); Born Fi Dead (Canongate, 1995); Burning Words, Flaming Images (SAKS Media, 1996); Wild Ways (Sceptre Press, 1997); IC3:A Penguin Collection of Black British Writing (Penguin, 2000); Dark Matter:A Century of Speculative Fiction from the African Diaspora (Warner, 2000); Time Out London Short Stories, Volume 2 (Penguin, 2000) and Brown Sugar (Dutton Plume, 2001). Shes making progress. Last November Orange Laughter began being sold in the US by prestigious New York house Farrar Straus and Giroux, and both books are being translated into French. Last September's issue of Interview magazine featured Ross as one of the authors to watch out for in the future. In the following interview Ross speaks frankly about her writing, and her life. The emotions and experiences that led to the construction of her complex characters are exposed and discussed. Interestingly, Ross has not lost her Jamaicanness at all; you can hear it in her language. You can see it in the way she walks. K: Did you know were going to be a novelist? L: Yes. Im tempted to be coy and say I hoped that I would be, but I think I knew I would. I had reservations about it: I worried intensely, like any unpublished writer does, that perhaps no one would be interested and whether I was good enough. But I thought Id do it by 35. The fact that it came to me ten years earlier than that is interesting to me - and weird. But I knew from about three years old, that one of the best ways to pass my time was making up stories. K: So its not about writing about your life and experiences. L: No, not in any very direct way. I think that autobiography is a perfectly acceptable way to begin, but it is not something Im very interested in. Im not interested in disguising my life thinly and then writing that on a piece of paper. The story of a young woman, mixed race, born in England, grow inna Jamaica, doesnt interest me as a fictional process. I live that. Regurgitating it would be boring to me. K: I know Leone Ross and it seems to me that she has a whole heap she could write about. L: Yeah, well, I think All the Blood is the nearest thing to autobiographical I will ever get. They say it is inevitable with the first novel anyway. You get out your stuff. Ive kept a diary since I was ten years old, so that is my autobiographical outlet, any literal issues are dealt with there. Im more interested in going back to the little girl I was and what she wanted to write about: vampires, fairies, magic, weird stuff. I did want to express my politics in Blood, so I did do that. K: For example? L: Feminism comes through, my attitudes to gender issues. You can see in Blood that I am definitely on the side of the woman who gets raped! But I find the rapist intriguing K: How does your cultural background/experience influence your work? L: One of the things that makes answering questions like that challenging, is that as a writer I dont make obvious thematic decisions from that clear place. I dont say: I am now going to write a book that expresses my Jamaicaness. It is an entirely more complex and sometimes unconscious process. It is part inspiration and part perspiration. K: Blood is not a typical Jamaican book, at least it is not a typical Jamaican perspective. L: It is Jamaican in that it has a lot of Jamaican patois and some Jamaican references. Mavis, the main Jamaican character, was based in part on interviews my mother did years ago with prostitutes in Jamaica. But Blood is a hybrid. Im a hybrid. Truth be told, writing about Jamaica, whether it be using the language, talking about the society or addressing themes within that community is something I can do. But because that feels essentially autobiographical, like I said, it entertains me less. K: The references to Jamaica in that book were a fresh perspective, fresh in that they were honest and non-judgmental. Mavis is a prostitute, yet she is also the matriarch, a very real Jamaican woman. She watches her daughter being raped and thinks that she deserves it because of the way she dresses and acts. L: She didnt even perceive it as rape. For Mavis the entire thing, sex in general, is nastiness, whether it be tender lovemaking or rough, violent sex. K: But to expose that, to create a Jamaican woman who was a whore, had babies, ran away to England to make a new life and then turns out to be practically a religious zealot, to do that takes guts. Its a story we all know but I have never seen written down. L: But Im not the first one to write about that. If you look through Jamaican literature, especially the Sistren Theatre Collectives Lion Heart Gyal, it comes up. They have dealt with issues of sexuality, power, economic strata, and the compromises women make to survive. I guess what could be said is that I am particularly honest about it. K: Honest and non-judgmental. L: One of the things I think I bring to this craft is curiosity about the human condition without judging any of it. I love Anthony Winkler (The Lunatic) for his honest and non-judgmental approach. I was most interested in Maviss emotional experience as a prostitute. The decision to make it a Jamaican experience was about knowing the setting, and ease of reference. I tried to make the patois accessible to an international audience, so it is somewhat watered-down. I didnt want to get so authentic that it would be difficult to read. K: What was the main inspiration for Orange Laughter? L: The idea for Orange existed before Blood. It was originally a 2,000 word short story I wrote in university when I was 18. It was always an American story, but people told me it was a novel, not a short. A friend showed that story to my first publishers, and they gave me a two book deal, asked me to develop Orange the story into a novel. They also asked me to do the outline of another novel I wanted to write. That became Blood. K: So why did you write Blood first? L: I knew it was a simpler narrative, structurally and thematically. I felt I needed the practice of the craft before writing a full-length Orange, which was going to be a more complex work. Both books come from my fascination with emotional experiences. So in a crude way Blood started when I thought, What does it feel like to be raped? What is that? What is the nature of that? And what does it do to you if your community doesnt believe you were raped, or that you deserved what you got? K: You mean like the Desiree Washington/Mike Tyson drama? L: Yeah, it was a couple of years after the Mike Tyson trial. I was angry that Desiree Washingtons experience was dismissed, regardless of the fact that the man was found guilty and served his time. There is still an attitude within the international black community that the gyal bring down a black man. How could she do that? Not everyone. But I still hear it. K: Yes Ive heard her being called a hussy by men and women. L: You know, Ive gone to many a hotel room, many an empty house with a man, and even if I was unwise, it did not mean I was inviting rape. No one invites rape. For me the responsibility was with Mike Tyson. And when a girl says no, hold your fucking corner! Blood came from wanting to explore that psychology, both of raped and rapist. You have to begin with character. K: And Orange? L: That began with the idea of outcasts, of kids who feel that they are not being loved. I was interested in the dynamic between Mikey and Tony, a black boy and a white boy, both outcasts in their different ways. What is it like not to belong, and to find saviours in others who dont belong? I never start a novel thinking about the specific storyline, always with a character. K: So it began with children, not with the adult Tony or Mikey? L: The first character that came to me was Mikey, the little white boy. I was sitting under a tree at UWI and heard his voice in my head: So, I have this friend. His name is Tony, hes really cute, hes black and he takes care of me and hes clever and Im just fat ole Mikey and I really appreciate his friendship and I love him. This little boy kept talking in my head, about friendship and pain. Originally it was Mikeys story but when I started developing it into a novel I decided Tonys character had more potential for drama. K: Obviously you feel your characters. Could that be the secret to the in-depth characterization which your critics praise so much in both novels? L: I cannot write them unless I know them. I have to sit down and have conversations with them in my head. I have to do lists of their core beliefs, background, age, what they look like. I have to feel them as real people before I write them down. The literature Ive loved the most, even as a child, was the work where the characters felt real to me. I give a lot of time and patience to writers who can carve individuals that I can see, hear, feel. People with a fresh approach to the human perspective.
L: When the short story occurred to me I was doing a BA in Literature and was reading Ralph Ellison, Stephen King, loved African American literature. So I was majorly influenced by that genre when the characters in Orange began to talk to me. In terms of research I went to North Carolina, walked around, breathed the air and met two fascinating men in their nineties who answered many of my historical questions. I spent hours reading American autobiography and history. But in the end I knew it was folly to try and write the definitive Southern novel, so I just wrote Tony human. Which is what he is: a human being dealing with a childhood and an adolescence full of pain. The fact that he is a man, I find that fascinating. I am not a man. The fact that he is bisexual, well Im bisexual. I dont know why Tony is bisexual, is the most honest answer. Thats just how him chat to me. When I was a teenager I had a friend who would fuck anything that paid him any attention, and I wondered about that as a psychological and emotional place. The ability to make yourself sexually available to anything that was interested in you. I decided that that could come from pain. K: So are you saying that bisexuality and pain are related? L: No (emphatically). Im not saying that any kind of sexual orientation is a construct of pain. It seems to me that people are born with their tendencies to sexuality. But how we use that sexuality, sure, the way we explore it, it seems to me that that has something to do with our socialisation and experiences. Is a man gay if he has never fucked a man but thought about it, wanted it, knew that it would mean something true and real in his life? I say yes, because I was bisexual long before I ever slept with a woman. Are straight people not straight before they have sex? But back to the point - it occurred to me that Tony would use sexuality in a particular way. He would use it for power. Because he feels disempowered. He would be promiscuous because of his pain, not bisexual because of his pain. K: One of your constant themes is an examination of sexuality being used as power and that power being used as a weapon. L: Its certainly being used as a cope strategy. Characters in both novels take great satisfaction in, and power from the fact that they are wanted sexually. Tony is one. I would appreciate you emphasising that Orange is not just a comment on bisexuality, it is a comment on sexuality, period, and a whole heap of other things. And its just my view. K: What about the reactions to Blood? What are your feelings on the reaction of the Jamaican community in particular, to your work? L: Im not particularly aware of any reactions in the Jamaican community to my work. So far as Im aware, my audience has largely been within the black community in Britain. I dont think that Jamaicans know that I exist, in particular. British black men and women have responded to both books with recognition. They take great joy in the language in Blood. Its also woman stuff, man stuff, how you feel about your body stuff, life stuff, career stuff. My only experience with a Jamaican audience was at the Blood launch in Jamaica where I did feel more than a frisson of audience disapproval. I cant say for sure what they were responding to, but I suspect it was the swear words, the overt sexuality and a feeling that this was not the most positive way that I could portray Jamaica, like: Youve left Jamaica to write about slackness. With the best will in the world, I dont give a fuck. I cant afford to. Ive learnt - after a great deal of anxiety - that my job is to produce the best work that I can. More and more I am able to ignore all the shoulds: should write about black politics, should write about gender politics, should present black men in a positive light, shouldnt be writing slackness. Nobody controls what I write about, nobody. No one makes that decision for me. Every writer has to find a way to satisfy himself in terms of his themes. Sexuality is going to be a constant theme in my work. It is a constant theme in my life. A fascination with the way that we are sexual beings. K: You are not writing lies or anything uncommon, whether people want to admit it or not. But Jamaica is conservative. I can only imagine the reaction to a reading that includes fuck, bombo claat etc., especially coming out of the mouth of a woman portrayed as a Jamaican matriarch. L: You see, if people were shocked or dismayed, I am sorry, but it is true. Something that came up a lot in black British audiences, was: why are you creating this negative black male character? That comes from a communal consciousness of the way the British media deals with black people, its persistent racism and myopia. So people asked me: do we really need more works that promote the idea of the black man as beast, rapist, hurtful? But there is the balance in characters like Michael, a gorgeous man who happens to be black. Otherwise, I simply ask: do black men rape? It is not one of the most positive things I can write about but it is one of the truths that I can write about. Sometimes life is ugly. But then I think my work is also full of redemption and hope and love. I would hate to think that my readers are thinking that its just this dark shit. Theres a lot of hope and humour. K: And there are alternatives in the work. I think you show in some characters, at least, a sort of responsibility. They can make conscious decisions. The reader recognises that this character could take a different route. L: Yes. Jeanette could allow her life to end after she is raped, but she chooses freedom. She goes through this period in which she is traumatized and she doesnt feel that she can be a sexual person, but in the end she makes the decision to dance and to feel her sensuality again. To love again. Tony makes decisions too. New ones. Life waits for them - question is, what will they do with it? K: Im fascinated with the great divergence in the content and presentation of the two novels. As a young author, how have you managed to avoid what seems to be the norm - writing the same story in the same setting? L: Im not interested in repeating myself. There were people who wanted All the Blood is Red 2 but its not going to happen. I do see commonality in the two books, obviously, because the uniting factor is me, and that which fascinates me. I see them both as comments about friendship, sexuality, love, power, fear, childhood, parenting, race, gender and things that go bump - in your brain - at night. I think they are political, but not aggressively political. They dont rant. For me, the personal is tied to the political. I think that a high level political agenda, which is one I grew up in, loses sight of the individual. As a child I had a very bad response to this. I am a political animal but politics must bow to the individual, to the emotional experience. Im not seeing the characters if I see them through a filter of gender, or race or sexual orientation or disability. I begin by wondering who they are under all that. I am interested in the heart place underneath all of that. Then I can wind political points through that heart. Its no mistake that Tony, the black man, the brilliant one, is the one who ends up homeless. I did that because I wanted to make a comment on all of his lost potential. Historically, as minorities, we have not been given the same opportunities. Were dealing with the challenges of racism, sexism, homophobia etc. that Mr. WASP isnt dealing with. Even though Mikey is hurt, hes a middle class white man who goes to Princeton, marries his black girlfriend and has that life. So I am making a political point, but I am also saying that Tony made individual choices - he was given some opportunities, he just didnt take them. K: I still want to address how different the two books are in terms of setting, register, language, the narrative. L: I think each fictional work should fascinate in a new way. Im writing for an audience but I am also writing to entertain myself. And I wouldnt find it entertaining to re-hash the same narrative line. I wonder sometimes if that is a problem in terms of marketability. Someone suggested that the third book was not the place to move to science fiction or anything new because I would cheat my current audience by changing the genre again. But it wont change. The themes are there, regardless of whether Im writing about alternate worlds or time shifts or screaming vampires or whatever. I hope that people will follow me there too. K: But I think exactly that your current fans appreciate the dynamism. L: (laughter) Well I would hope so. K: So where are you now in your writing career? Whats left for you to do? L: Plenty. Write more books. K: All the Blood is Red was long listed for the Orange Prize, the largest literary prize in Britain for womens writing worldwide. What was that like for you as a young, black, author? L: Encouraging. I certainly didnt expect to win the 30,000 pounds. I didnt think that Blood was ready to win that sum, but it made me press on with my writing. I was in very good company; among those listed were very well established American, British and Canadian writers. I also won an Arts Council Award this year, which is a financial award given by the British government to support the careers of writers. They give 15 awards per year and I got that to write my third novel. Its certainly been wonderful being acknowledged in that way. K: Has there been a down side to all this? L: What has been lacking is critical response. I do expect this to change when Orange is published by Farrar, Straus and Giroux in the US in November. It is quite difficult for an unestablished author to get column inches in Britain. It seems to me that in Britain in particular, it is a matter of one nigger at a time. Therefore when Blood was first published, a young, talented author, Diran Adebayo, was the hot thing and was published at about the same time. He did very well. At the moment there is Zadie Smith, who got a 250,000 pound advance from Penguin and who was nominated for the Orange Prize last year. These people are doing good work and should be recognized, but it appears to many of us that only one black author is recognized at a time, which is irritating and frustrating. Personally, I dont want anyone to review me because I am black. I want them to review my work. But I also think things take time and I wonder whether or not I would have wanted to explode in that way and how it would have affected my work. Maybe slow growth is the way.K: Therefore, the novels have basically been ignored by the British press. Do you think it is because they choose not to write about them or that they dont know about them? L: Not ignored. There have been reviews. But Im saying its a struggle for major coverage. My first publisher was a tiny independent, and they did their best. I know every newspaper in Britain got a copy of Blood. When Orange was re-published by Transworld, which is a huge press, all the press got copies too. The few that did review it were largely complimentary. The Telegraph loved it. Just that hey, like any young author, I dont just want the good stuff, I want the heavy, thoughtful, constant critique and attention. Lets be real - it sells copies. But you know, thatll come. For the moment Im more concerned about writing the third one. You can get Leone Ross's novels on line, at http://www.Amazon.com
or http://www.Amazon.co.uk or You can also go to Ross's website at: http://members.tripod.com/leoneross/leone.htm
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I see them both as comments about friendship, sexuality, love, power, fear, childhood, parenting, race, gender and things that go bump - in your brain - at night.
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| You know, Ive gone to many a hotel room, many an empty house with a man, and even if I was unwise, it did not mean I was inviting rape. No one invites rape. | |||||
| That began with the idea of outcasts, of kids who feel that they are not being loved. I was interested in the dynamic between Mikey and Tony, a black boy and a white boy, both outcasts in their different ways. What is it like not to belong, and to find saviours in others who dont belong? I never start a novel thinking about the specific storyline, always with a character. | |||||
| Im not particularly aware of any reactions in the Jamaican community to my work. So far as Im aware, my audience has largely been within the black community in Britain. I dont think that Jamaicans know that I exist, in particular. British black men and women have responded to both books with recognition. They take great joy in the language in Blood. Its also woman stuff, man stuff, how you feel about your body stuff, life stuff, career stuff. | |||||
| You are not writing lies or anything uncommon, whether people want to admit it or not. But Jamaica is conservative. I can only imagine the reaction to a reading that includes fuck, bombo claat etc., especially coming out of the mouth of a woman portrayed as a Jamaican matriarch. | |||||
| Personally, I dont want anyone to review me because I am black. I want them to review my work. But I also think things take time and I wonder whether or not I would have wanted to explode in that way and how it would have affected my work. Maybe slow growth is the way. | |||||
| No (emphatically). Im not saying that any kind of sexual orientation is a construct of pain. It seems to me that people are born with their tendencies to sexuality. But how we use that sexuality, sure, the way we explore it, it seems to me that that has something to do with our socialisation and experiences. Is a man gay if he has never fucked a man but thought about it, wanted it, knew that it would mean something true and real in his life? | |||||
| Historically, as minorities, we have not been given the same opportunities. Were dealing with the challenges of racism, sexism, homophobia etc. that Mr. WASP isnt dealing with. Even though Mikey is hurt, hes a middle class white man who goes to Princeton, marries his black girlfriend and has that life. So I am making a political point, but I am also saying that Tony made individual choices - he was given some opportunities, he just didnt take them. | |||||